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All Technology & Tech Help / So anyway, about Facebook...
« Last post by The Gorn on April 07, 2018, 02:06:31 pm »
I  see FB being a self evidently fertile feeding ground for influencing people.

People on Facebook who cultivate their personal Facebook image and who buy into the culture deeply are vulnerable to influence and manipulation. Since they themselves have already selected themselves to be manipulated.

I'm saying that the cheap thrill aspect of the "Facebook dopamine rush" is only one sliver of the entire environment.
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This is a really good analysis. Thanks!

Very interesting. I've seen this link, and I didn't bother to look into it.

Facebook's example is that the goal is to enhance social interaction.  One interviewee described a resonance effect with people being fed self-affirming information feeds from like-minded people and fake news so that eventually a mirror is built for them by Facebook in which they figuratively gaze into and ask “Who is the fairest of them all?" and you get back,  "You, you after all!” 

Having lived inside the Facebook bubble for a couple of years and lived to tell about it :P I wouldn't exactly call what Facebook does "enhancing" social interaction.

Real social interaction as humanity has experienced it for the duration of our species implies that you have to bargain, reason, cooperate and compromise literally all of the time with other individuals who have their own problems and agendas. At the same time you often don't have much information on what others are thinking when they interact with you since in normal society people generally don't reveal their thoughts openly.

Facebook won't help with mastering any of that, in fact, it's counter to actual healthy relationships.

What Facebook does is hugely amplify your ability to interact with people who tend to create less friction with you than the run of the mill humanity, and who themselves are being affirmed constantly. At the same time people on Facebook visibly show in numerous ways how they reason and think and what they value.  In other words with Facebook (or any other online venue, but to lesser degrees) you learn much more about the image that people want to convey about their thinking. But you always have a big "off" switch to dismiss anyone who is disagreeably argumentative. You can't do that in real life.

That "building an image I want others to see" is pervasive on FB. It tends to foster unrealistic behaviors and it rewards bad behavior. It's both the home of virtue signaling as well as narcissistic preening.  In real life you'd tell someone who is talking down to you to f*ck off. On Facebook if you stake a political position you get to use it as a hammer to show how morally superior you are.

From the comments on this board I know for a fact that everyone currently on the board (except perhaps Pxsant and of course me) is unaware of how it feels to participate heavily on Facebook. Y'all see it from a distance. The average citizen in society with a social media addiction isn't familiar to us here on this board. 

I'm saying that to a specific personality type Facebook is as addictive as cigarettes or anything else that's bad for you. And FB instills a need to see others conform to your world view.

I could go on at length about other aspects... Facebook allows you to create "group hugs" that would look really foolish and out of place in real life. You can synthesize causes and you can then even convince the subsets of the normies on Facebook that your cause is just what they need to feel included and special. It CAN happen in real life but it's much harder.

Again, it's all artificial counterparts of real life social interaction.

Lastly I wouldn't say that Facebook ropes in stupid people... or actually maybe it does. It ropes in average people who get lonely and who need affirmation. Facebook is normie central.

I get very lonely and I need affirmation, but I know that FB has too many strings attached and distorts real life, so I stay away from it because it's just not for real.

FB is like an AI of real relationships.
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http://doyoutrustthiscomputer.org/watch

I read somewhere that Musk is bankrolling the free viewing.

There are clips from Robocop to drive home the point of what could happen when autonomous weapon systems that are under development by the military turn rogue.  That would include drones, pilotless aircraft and all the scary robots that Boston Dynamics keeps rolling out.

Tai, the Microsoft Twitter chatbot which turned into a misanthropic racist monster after 24 hours is mentioned.

Around 21:00 a strong Luddite pitch starts.  Robots and AI-based information systems are going to take away jobs from both blue and white collar workers.

At 29:44 there is a VERY WEIRD AND SCARY  Japanese (who else) android named Erica.  If there was ever an uncanny valley effect, Erica demonstrates it.  The uncanny valley effect is that to the degree an android looks and acts human we will become repelled by it.

Erica looks friendly enough most of the time, but every so often there is an unnatural jerk or psychopathic look in her eyes which is truly terrifying.

The Facebook/Cambridge Analytics fiasco came about apparently while the documentation was in production and they gleefully incorporated it.

Facebook is said to be just the sort of thing of how AI will destroy humanity.  It's not that AI has anything personal against humans, it's just that AI is goal-directed and if humans get in the way, then bye bye humans.   Facebook's example is that the goal is to enhance social interaction.  One interviewee described a resonance effect with people being fed self-affirming information feeds from like-minded people and fake news so that eventually a mirror is built for them by Facebook in which they figuratively gaze into and ask “Who is the fairest of them all?" and you get back,  "You, you after all!” 

Thus, Facebook purportedly diminishes people while manipulating them into yielding to Facebook (a symbol for all its AI algorithms) information so that they can be commercially exploited.

An interesting take on personality characterization is described by https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/faculty/michal-kosinski who said that in the old days psychometric analysis was done with questionnaires.  Nowadays it's much more effective to gather online posting, searching, buying and browsing data and analyze it with a neural network to gain personality insights.  https://www.ibm.com/watson/services/personality-insights/ does this and it accurately described some my personality based on my postings on this board. 

At the end of video Musk apparently gives up trying to stop or regulate AI and says the only answer is to merge with it, as in if can't fight 'em, join 'em.  Not sure what he has in mind, though.  It was kind of left as a hanging, open question.   Everything Musk said before is that AI will attain superintelligence and that it will be impossible to get it to play nice.


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All Technology & Tech Help / Analysis from a business perspective
« Last post by The Gorn on April 04, 2018, 06:28:07 pm »
There are a lot of content creators and freelancers and e-commerce/inet marketer types who genuflect at the altar of Facebook. Including that dipshit I did the profitable membership site for who just f***ed his site with an expensive overhaul.

They rely on the mindless trust that FB once inspired. Like that guy I am citing who gets coaching clients from his Facebook group.

Facebook today is mainly for narcissists who need to show everyone their great life that you're (explicitly in my case) not invited to. Like that guy. You look at his personal FB page and it's "look at me and how wonderful I am all of the time".

The people on that coach guy's FB group are dumber than a pile of compost for fawning over him.

I realized over a year ago that I was compromising myself by spewing to the "audience" there, and angering people who didn't think I was being "cute".

Every like you click and every comment you make on FB is databased into a composite of your personality and marketing affiliations. That was creepy. And I wasn't getting any closer to people on that site.  The uniquely Facebook narcissism fest/dopamine rush environment is what secures the audience for this source of data.

In time nobody smart and aware will want to use Facebook, and that has actually been the case for awhile. Those on the site now are legacy users. As a result the pool of users contributing to that marketing data source and that pool of consumers of content will inevitably become lower and lower quality.

Facebook is headed for MySpace / Topix.com / City-data forums levels of quality of user.
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Who wants to use a messenger app that scans everything you do?  I can see FB scanning the posts that are publicly shown, but the private messages should not be scanned for content.

I worked a lot with content scanning software and understand why companies use it, but what FB is doing seems more like censorship.  Companies use content scanning to protect their trade secrets and to enforce their company policies, but FB is a social media company.  Intruding on people's private email conversations is over the line.  The users do not work for the company and the messages sent are not for public consumption.

It looks likes FB was doing a little bit more than just content scanning according to this user from the article:

"One person has claimed that his Messenger texts have been used to target advertising, tweeting: "So I was messaging my wife about dinner tonight mentioned a particular place on Facebook messenger and then opened up Facebook about to see an ad for that restaurant.

"Tell me they aren't in on every convo I have. Scary!"


I know there is no privacy, but what FB is doing is a bridge too far.
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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« Last post by The Gorn on April 04, 2018, 09:54:13 am »
Ok, I can get in on this bullying too  ;D

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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« Last post by ilconsiglliere on April 04, 2018, 09:19:00 am »
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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« Last post by ilconsiglliere on April 04, 2018, 09:18:06 am »
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All Technology & Tech Help / Re: WOW!!! An incredible amount of stuff.
« Last post by JoFrance on April 02, 2018, 02:49:57 pm »
I think FB and Google are out of control with their deceptive practices.  I have no confidence in our worthless Congress to hold these people accountable, but the public can say enough is enough and not use them.  That's not going to happen though.  Too many people have become FB stars.  Their egos need an outlet and they don't care who knows how great they really are.
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