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All I usually buy are refurbs, whether desktops or laptops.   I have had good experiences with all of them.

My opinion on Windows 10, however, is different.   It is an absolute piece of trash IMO.   Much slower than Windows 7.   Lots of luck trying to turn off updates.   I have tried everything I can including You/tube videos and MS still does forced updates whether you have them turned off or not.   The machine in question is a Dell laptop purchased new.   It should be the fastest machine I have but it is dog slow because of all the crap going on under the covers with Windows 10.   I am seriously thinking of blowing everything away and installing Windows 7.
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« Last post by The Gorn on June 18, 2018, 08:42:09 pm »
No need to go into warranty standards for refurbs, or the issues of how the OS powers up. I just watched a video of a guy showing how to make certain that the system is running a "factory sealed" install of Windows 10 rather than inheriting an unknown-quality existing install has been set up for "Preferred Customer". I also know that warranties are much shorter on average and we'll need to buy SquareTrade or something for coverage.
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My wife's 2012 vintage Windows 7 Dell Vostro PC fried this last weekend. Mainly it's for Facebook, occasional Word/writing, and email.

So she needs a new computer. (I'll start a second thread about the fried PC. It's a peculiar situation I have never seen before.)

What experience do any of you have with refurbished PCs with Windows pre-loaded?

She's open to Windows 10 and I think that would be a good move to have one current OS in the house.

We went out this weekend and actually bought a refurb at a Micro Center.

But I am returning the SOB tomorrow because I am not happy that the machine's reported specs when started do not match the stated sales specs.

This unit: http://www.microcenter.com/product/480243/8300_Desktop_Computer_Off_Lease_Refurbished

(Set your store to Sharonville, Ohio if it doesn't show inventory or the device.)

The system WE received, when booted, showed a 160 GB hard drive (confirmed as a WD model starting with WD1600... that is only 158,000,000,000 bytes)
and only 4 GB of ram.

The box was supposed to have 8 GB ram and 500 GB hard drive.  Curiously the box the PC was packaged in from the refurb place showed 8GB and 500GB. Apparently the refurb place is either bait-and-switching or made an honest and sloppy mistake.

Out of curiosity I went on Amazon and found multiple marketplace deals from certified refurb places for the same configuration and model of PC but with a 1 or 2 TB drive, for $185. About 45 less for the same or more system. We can certainly wait 2 days for shipping.

I'm pissed with Micro Center over this and they will have to earn my business back.

Can someone advise if a refurb is a good proposition for a light home user who would prefer to keep the computer for at least 5 years? I know that I can't even buy a bare hard drive, mobo, and CPU for this price much less a copy of Windows 10. New is out of the question for her use and our budget. I'm having to replace a lot of electronic shit in our house at the same time and I want to put as little as I can into this.

These are off-lease machines leased by businesses. I noticed at a doctor's office today that the nurse had exactly the same low-profile PC on the floor under the desk that this thing is. They must be sold or leased by the millions.

So, can we buy a refurbished PC with confidence that it will last at least 3+ years? At this price level I expect some "Kleenex" like dynamics  but if it lasts longer, great.

Thanks.
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F*CK these people in the face with a broken bottle.

I'll have to remember that!  >:D
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They may make a little more.  PayScale says that $19.28 is the median pay across the country, and usually big companies pay more:  https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Desktop_Support_Technician/Hourly_Rate


Compare this with a handyman rate , which HomeAdvisor says is $60-$65 an hour:  https://www.homeadvisor.com/cost/handyman/#charge.

We got an estimate for a small job yesterday, and the person who came out to give us the estimate said he charges $50/hour, which I thought was a good deal.  He works for a large handyman services company in the area and is moonlighting.

$60/hour for a standard 2,000 hour work year is $120K a year, which isn't too shabby.  I'd seriously consider it if I were younger.




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The only place I have heard of $15/hr are 2 situations.   There was one company - don't remember the name - that hired remote people to do telephone support to consumers and SMB's at about that rate.   The second possibility is the techs who work at Best Buy.

The normal corporate pay scale for desktop support is about 50K a year for minimal experience support people.   People who support Linux servers, VM's and network stuff are paid a lot more.

The @260/hr stuff is absolutely bogus.   Looks like the guy forgot a decimal point or something.   The only time I have seen rates like that are very high level specialists who are well known in the industry.   One I recall was the son of the founder of a well known (to remain nameless) accounting software company.

For agencies where the consultants are paid $50 to $75 an hour, the agency typically bills $85 to $120/hr to the corporation.    In many big corporations, both the pay rate to consultants and the final billing rate are dictated by the corporation.

This rate is true and its in a fortune 500 company no less. My brother said a bunch of them have quite because of this. These are on site techs here in NJ. I could see this happening because of the h1b.

I don't know of a single specialty in IT today that bills at $260/hour. I see all the billing rates for every consultant where I am. This place is very transparent for some reason - all the consultants billing rates with names are regularly shown in meetings and what not. Even my own billing rate is right there for everyone to see. That being said I very, very rarely seen anyone billed much beyond $120/hour. The average rate its like 80-100/hour. Thats for all jobs - DBA, PM, BA and programmers.

Occasionally you will see some outlier being billed at something crazy like $500/hour and its some guy brought in to help the CEO. But its not common by any means.
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Than I heard a story from a guy whom said he was billing a client $260 per hour direct bill. He said they were getting stock options, benefits, vacation, blah, blah + they work at home. I asked him what the product, skill set and geographic location. The guy wouldnt answer me which tells me he is full of shit.

No!

If he receives even half what he's claiming, the fact that he won't say anything specific makes him an utterly commonplace, typical IT type, and that includes past colleagues who have been on this board.

"I earn a high rate but I'll never, ever share anything useful with you so you can improve your own circumstance. I have a personal religion of not helping, even if you've helped me in the past, sorry."

Let the Indians take over the industry in the US.The hell with "our" kind.

Agree with everything you wrote. F*CK these people in the face with a broken bottle. I think the guy is full of shit. No way even during the dot come era did I ever hear of rates like this.

As for the Indians taking over, they pretty much have. They have their own set of problems even amongst themselves. Its dog eat dog with them, they won't hesitate for a second to put the stones to their own kind for $$.
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The only place I have heard of $15/hr are 2 situations.   There was one company - don't remember the name - that hired remote people to do telephone support to consumers and SMB's at about that rate.   The second possibility is the techs who work at Best Buy.

The normal corporate pay scale for desktop support is about 50K a year for minimal experience support people.   People who support Linux servers, VM's and network stuff are paid a lot more.

The @260/hr stuff is absolutely bogus.   Looks like the guy forgot a decimal point or something.   The only time I have seen rates like that are very high level specialists who are well known in the industry.   One I recall was the son of the founder of a well known (to remain nameless) accounting software company.

For agencies where the consultants are paid $50 to $75 an hour, the agency typically bills $85 to $120/hr to the corporation.    In many big corporations, both the pay rate to consultants and the final billing rate are dictated by the corporation.
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Than I heard a story from a guy whom said he was billing a client $260 per hour direct bill. He said they were getting stock options, benefits, vacation, blah, blah + they work at home. I asked him what the product, skill set and geographic location. The guy wouldnt answer me which tells me he is full of shit.

No!

If he receives even half what he's claiming, the fact that he won't say anything specific makes him an utterly commonplace, typical IT type, and that includes past colleagues who have been on this board.

"I earn a high rate but I'll never, ever share anything useful with you so you can improve your own circumstance. I have a personal religion of not helping, even if you've helped me in the past, sorry."

Let the Indians take over the industry in the US.The hell with "our" kind.
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