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Discussions - Public / Re: Decline of Geek Online Discussion
« on: May 08, 2018, 08:48:47 am »
I have never been a true IT nerd. I was never very good at math and was never into some of the hobbies and interests that typical IT people were into. Examples include dungeons and dragons, Star Trek, Star Wars, math, science and all the other things that IT people tend to be into. Many are also addicted to porn.

On top of this they also tend to have odd social skills and many are anti-social.  They would like to interact with NO ONE if they could.

I totally claim those characteristics in myself. I am a nerd, I am an original Star Trek fan, although never into D&D which was just starting when I was in high school, and I've had quite odd social skills during my heavy geek phase.

But one has to grow up sometime. And it's completely lazy to refuse to observe how others are living their lives.

And, self awareness is on the way to greater self knowledge. Most people are not self aware.  No growth and no movement is literally the definition of death.

Discussions - Public / Re: Men's support forums
« on: May 08, 2018, 06:48:01 am »
In about five years, I'll be in "your" tribe, but still, it's not that much of a tribe. I'm talking about ALL social aspects of life, not only finding work or access to business opportunities. Just socializing broadly and a feeling of belonging is extremely difficult to achieve when you're in the default gray goo (IE, white) demographic blob. Blacks have quite a bit more social cohesion just due to being black but it's not that much or works that well for them.

Discussions - Public / Re: Men's support forums
« on: May 07, 2018, 06:33:19 pm »
Unix, short version: hang it up and expect all males in our culture to be clueless, back stabbing assholes. Unless you have gotten some support from that forum you spoke of, I honestly think you should leave it. They can fuck off. You'll have to try other forums and handpick another that is actually helpful. If it exists.

You brought up an interesting point, the social cohesion of specific immigrant communities and in fact anyone who has a specific point of differentiation. 

I lack any such differentiation. I once thought being smart and geek was such a club membership but even that has turned into such a broad experience that it's utterly generic.

As a white Anglo male I am considered far too generic to be a member of a tight-knit social unit. That's opposite your ex's experience. I think that's supposed to be the point of attending things such as church for normies like me, but even that hasn't worked out that way at all for me. I am utterly alone, defending myself against others and groups. So are most while Anglo males. Also I think that cohesion happens with ex-military, again, an experience I lack.

For instance, in my region there is a Hispanic business owner's regional group. I've seen pictures of their events online. Far more interesting and friendly looking than the assholish social climber chamber of commerce I once belonged to.

To be a member of the cultural majority is to be utterly alone, blamed, and isolated. Weirdly.

Discussions - Public / Re: Men's support forums
« on: May 07, 2018, 05:28:13 pm »
Most women are nothing like the harpies on the View.  Women will discuss feelings in depth, something most men will not do.  In a support forum environment, they can have a more sympathetic response because they're more in touch with the feeling side of life.  Feminists have a more SJW or pack mentality, but not all women are feminists.

Exactly what I'm saying is that women display a sort of "hive mind" social cohesion that men lack.

My experience differs a bit from yours. I'm thinking of the late 90s era "The View" cast with Barbara Walters, before massive political activism everywhere. I dated a gal back then that just ate up the view and its vibe.

When I think of the way most women who are open to each other socialize, I think of "The View". I suspect that is exactly what the producers of The View were going for. A universal adult female bonding vibe.

Remember the nut case that hounded me about the website last year? She was commisserating with two or more women from the same Facebook group who had decided I was unfair to them (each one of them was screwing me around on projects I did for each one.) She had apparently gathered what she considered a lot of ammo - pejorative gossip against me. I can almost see them in a group chat on Facebook affirming each other's hatred and contempt of me. Of course, most women's kaffe klatches are far more benign than that.

Women therefore can be mean in an extremely focused and OCD singled minded way by weaponizing that natural social cohesion. But, unlike men, lacking any rationality. 90% grievance and feeling - driven at the worst.

Women would be far more effective adversaries in argumentation if they could, on average, hold to logic and use facts as the basis for their argumentation.

But then, they would probably lose the blindly self righteousness driven aspect that characterizes angry group thinking women.

Sorry, I hold to what I said. You probably socialize with women who take a much higher ground and have higher than average intelligence.

I'm talking about the average in society.  The dumb assholes from the play-acting freelance copywriter group probably are about average.

I think some men don't like to show their softer side because they think it makes them look weak.  It doesn't.  Its sad for them that they can't allow themselves to show their emotion.  I've known a few men like that, as friends.  You would think by what they say, everything is great, except it isn't.  I know it, they know it, but they will not talk about it.

You are an exception, Gorn.  Unix too.  You're both able to talk about your feelings.

Uhhh. It HAS lead directly many times to my being persecuted in discussions, negotiations, etc for being weak.

Culturally, for men, a high level of coarseness and inability to empathize is directly correlated in society with appearance of strength.

That empathy has definitely never, ever worked to my advantage. Ever. I'd be happier today if I was a dumb stupid bastard like most middle aged men.

Discussions - Public / Re: Decline of Geek Online Discussion
« on: May 06, 2018, 05:30:05 pm »
My original post was about the profound lack of sociability of some geeks. A guy subscribes me to his lame dry mailing list but wants nothing to do with me personally.

It's rejection.

We ex-programmers and IT types are a weird type. We're like what Unix complains about with the lack of support in men's supposed support forums. Unless you do the EXACT thing I do, I am not in your tribe and I have no interest in what you're doing. None none none.

It's all about my interests, and your interests are stupid and irrelevant.

No, I cannot possibly understand how you make a living or what your considerations are. You write software for a living? Kill yourself. How stupid.

You should be listening to my story instead.

I don't think I can grow a community where everyone thinks like that.

Discussions - Public / Re: Decline of Geek Online Discussion
« on: May 06, 2018, 05:05:17 pm »
The problem is people don't really want to talk about anything. For someone to put you on a mailing list and than not give you 2 minutes to take you off says to me MEGA DOUCHE.

I think this board is slowly dying. Not sure what the problem is any more.

I'm thinking at this point that rebooting this board or even trying to pivot as a career changer resource is a waste of time.

The problem I see in our age group (mid 40s and up) in technology people is extreme disengagement. Mental laziness, resignation, not having any focus, being content to molder, not planning anything. I see quite a bit of that with some in this crew here, frankly.

Endless debate and mental masturbation with no action - hallmarks of the lifer techie.

The lack of interest in topics on this board is due to the average technology person looking for a big fat $75/hr and up teat to suckle. No teat, no interest. We don't have high $ contracting to discuss any more. So nobody is interested.

I have one niece approaching 30 with no degree or much business experience, has had many "life problems" involving mumble mumble - you sure as hell would not respect her resume or her, uh, record.

And she is kicking ass as a commissioned furniture sales person and has a side business making floral arrangements for local weddings. She studies the videos of Gary Vaynerchuck for inspiration.

But our age group makes itself useless to ourselves and society through our nihilistic disengagement and expecting to find a perfect career or work-life balance.

I've had work friends my age who loosely fit the profile of members here, and slowly I stop calling them or attempting to socialize. One guy dropped out of programming 16 years ago when he was being harassed OTJ and slowly has lost his marbles... he's no fun to talk to because he's so disengaged, nothing is ever worth any effort to figure out or try for. Another guy, about my age, a tech writer, talked about freelancing, but he acts like setting up a fucking Paypal account is brain surgery he fully intends to get around to one day in a shining future.

It's genuinely depressing trying to inspire interest in people who have embraced giving up as a lifestyle.

If I were to replace this board with a page with a one line message it would say this:

You're a former techie and you're over 50 and jobless? Get off your ass and TRY SOMETHING already. Jesus!

Discussions - Public / Re: Men's support forums
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:45:54 pm »
Unix nails a social ill 100%. I can't find any flaw with his observations. Quite astute. I think I D S. may have an excellent point about the forum or board culture but the overly critical attack shit is quite common on male dominated IT boards.

Women have a quite different dynamic of being cruel. They are loathe to do so in public (generally.) Women have a thing for public appearances and optics and appearing to stand for virtue and goodness and kindness, even when they are anything but. Their preferred method of attack is stealth, pack mode hunting, and conducted as a covert operation. Women are big into presumed "high ground" posturing, that they stand for some right thing that they must mass together to "fix". Women like to gang up in solidarity over some perceived ill. Example: "The View" members; most feminist studies SJWs.

I think the real problem in most societies is not enough "constructive androgyny". I'll try very hard any more to not let myself be triggered so I can figure out the best response to some crap. Most guys have to save face and constantly do the bullshit "haw haw, I am only into strength"  IQ of 10 approach. Being macho makes you look incredibly stupid.

I'm friendless (very few male friends) specifically because of the posturing and studied stupidity. I have some past work buddies and old school pals that today register to me as adolescent nitwits with absolutely no capability for personal growth. I've grown, they've stayed virtual age 17.

Unix, post on that "support group" how they are abjectly failing at their mission and what a bunch of fucking one dimensional morons they are. Then report back with the results.  >:D

In the US the social justice warriors beat on normal people mercilessly and rudely and clutter the shit out of our civic life with their mindless shill crap.

It's refreshing in a way to hear about current day societies where they absolutely don't give a rat's ass about being woke or political correctness.

"You're in the wrong age group or race, so we think you SUCK, so don't apply here!"

Hiring discrimination will happen anyway. I think it's better when it's above board and honest.

At what age do you think discrimination starts against people in IT in the USA?

I believe it truly depends upon the niche, the industry, the subsector of IT you work in. Also whether permanent or contract.

Just guessing based on message board comments:

Dot com, large portal companies - as a developer you're human trash by the age of 35 unless you get promoted to an executive position. Think of that prick Zuckerberg pronouncing that only under-30 developers were productive and useful entrepreneurially.

Vertical market, SaaS -  just depends on the company culture.

Internal IT/MIS - sometimes old farts make a home in an end user business.

(Last two are most heavily into domain and business knowledge which favors the mature.)

Borked contracts: probably age 45 and the appearance of any age related greying is where the cut is made.

All Technology & Tech Help / Re: Did you ever visit the Dark Web?
« on: May 03, 2018, 11:43:26 am »
Oh, so the plot thickens...

First am I correct in saying that you can use Tor as a kind of VPN to hide your traffic, bounce it around a bit and have it connect to a normal website? I know that works but the only thing I gain is no prying eyes from my wifi provider, correct? So even if you connect to a wifi honey pot, they don't get anything useful?

Second, with .onion there is a whole other network that is not accessible without Tor. It's more than just "not indexed".

Third, if by chance you "knew" the IP of a .onion site, what would you get using a regular browser? I'm guessing nothing other than some handshaking since the two are not compatible?

First, yes. Tor is an OK alternative to commercial VPNs. However... speedwise it's not suitable for videos, torrenting, etc. Plus, most of the commercial CDNs like Cloudflare block Tor exit nodes by policy. So do a lot of websites. I've seen security plugins for Wordpress that block stuff such as Tor.

2nd, yes, just what the article says.

Third, the web server would have to serve the site on port 80 in addition to handling the Tor handoff. And I assume that by intent nobody running a darkweb site will allow confirmation of the site's actual identity.

The dark web is by design in a different universe from the normal/normie internet.

Ok, you alleged IT people who oughta find this stuff out yourselves ... lol... here is the specific definition of dark web services. It's a lot more than Jbucks described but does have definitely similarities culturally with the pre-boom Internet.

Dark web sites use specific address resolution and handshake protocols that are quite different from the normie internet.

I was wondering myself if it were possible to use a commercial VPN instead of Tor to go to the sites. The issue here is that Tor uses something called rendevous points to keep both sides, client and server anonymous. So, no, you absolutely need Tor software.

From ICANN itself:

Names for Dark Websites Unlike the human-readable domain names that we are accustomed to using when we navigate the web, Dark Websites use names of Tor hidden services. These are always 16-character values prepended to the .onion top-level domain. Any computer that runs Tor software can host a hidden (e.g., web) service. Dark Web users often find names out of band, for example, from pastebin or Dark Web market lists.
Tor software operating on a Tor host will create a local file directory, assign a port number for the service, and generate a public-private key pair when it configures a hidden service. Tor software creates a 16-character hostname by first computing a hash of the public key of that key pair and then converting the first 80 bits of this hash from a binary value to ASCII to make the resulting 16 characters conform to the "letter digit hyphen" requirement for the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol.
Dark Web visitors do not use the public DNS to resolve .onion names to Internet Protocol (IP) addresses – instead, resolution occurs using the entirely separate Tor hidden service protocol. This protocol helps services make their existences known and helps clients find services, while preserving the anonymity and the location (IP address) of both client and service. Both the client and the hidden service host have active roles in this process.
First, a Tor host "advertises" a hidden service by creating and publishing a service descriptor to a distributed directory service. This descriptor contains the hidden service public key and a list of Tor nodes that will serve as introduction points, trusted intermediaries for the hidden service. Next, the Tor host creates connections to the introduction points it has listed. Any Tor client that wants to connect to the hidden service can now do so through these introduction points.
To connect to a hidden service, a Tor client queries the directory service for the service descriptor. It randomly chooses an introduction point from the list in the service descriptor. The Tor client then randomly chooses a rendezvous point in the Tor network, anonymously connects to the chosen introduction point through the rendezvous point, and transmits a message to the hidden service via the introduction point. This message contains the identity of the rendezvous point, encrypted using the hidden service's public key, and material needed to begin a cryptographic "handshake." The hidden service also creates a connection back to this chosen rendezvous point and sends a message that completes the cryptographic handshake. At this point, the client and hidden service have set up a private network pathway that is resistant to surveillance – and they can exchange data anonymously and confidentially.
 Why Are All Dark Websites in the .onion Top-Level Domain ? The .onion top-level domain is reserved for hidden service names. Contrary to popular misconception, ICANN did not delegate .onion from the public root of the DNS. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) designated .onion as a special-use top-level domain (see RFC 7686) to be used in implementing an anonymous service with strong confidentiality characteristics, deemed to be "desired new functionality" (see RFC 6761).

All Technology & Tech Help / Re: Did you ever visit the Dark Web?
« on: May 03, 2018, 06:39:02 am »
I find all the "Dark Web" fearmongering hilarious.

I can remember when it was all "Dark Web" (Dark Web being a web server that has not been crawled / indexed by something - Google, Yahoo, etc.).

During my recent cleaning out of old stuff, I have books (The Internet Phone Book, etc.) and file folders full of sheets and sheets of IP's and web addresses / ftp sites, etc.   If you didn't get the info about the location passed to you, it was "dark".....



Jim, I believe that the Tor router is necessary to view those dark web sites. That's the main difference between today's indexed web and yesteryear's startup web.

Otherwise, this is exactly the missing piece that's been bugging me about the phrase "dark web". Before search engines, when everything was manually indexed, all websites were obscure backwaters.

P.S. I agree with the Gorn that it tales a year to become proficient in a brand new skill, but as a former boss of mine once said, "You only have to be one step ahead of the client!"

Good post, Citizen Koehj. Thanks.

I would like to amend that one step ahead deal.

In today's business climate, everyone is a self-educated know-it-all and will carp that they saw in a Youtube video how to trivially do the thing that you have have spent 10+ years perfecting.  One may be WELL ahead of the client, but it's for naught unless THEY recognize that fact.

You might be ahead of the client but they still gotta sponsor your work. I guess that losing the love handles and personal presentation kick in as antidotes. :)

In terms of effecting actual change, I absolutely agree with you.

Its ridiculous to not talk to others if you don't agree with them politically.  There are so many other things to talk about.

So, let's talk about them. Small business, contracting, self improvement, anything except the dismal commentary on Trump, Syria, the deep state, Facebook's meddling, etc.

I'm hypothesizing that this individual (whose opinions I highly respected) had that issue with the board and won't say because he doesn't want to engage.

I could be ENTIRELY wrong, too.

The point of my post was I'm not going to give attention to someone else's efforts as a marketer and support them if they don't show an iota of friendship.

I've supported way too many individuals in my career without anyone ever supporting me.

The cheapest assed excuse I hear repeatedly is the ass covering lie "I was just thinking about calling you!" No, you didn't and were not thinking of calling me. You weren't going to call me in a million years.

The world would be a better place if people were not so butt covering and would admit that they are disengaged and lazy.

All Technology & Tech Help / Re: Did you ever visit the Dark Web?
« on: May 01, 2018, 04:13:11 pm »
I looked this up because the assertions in this thread about the guv knowing that you visit the dark web were concerning to me.

The NSA is interested if you have even downloaded Tor or used a Tor browser:

Four years old:

81% of Tor users can be de-anonymised by analysing router information, research indicates

Last year:

Tor users at risk of being unmasked by ultrasound tracking

Apparently, Tor the protocol is pretty unbreakable, so tracking needs to happen by taking advantage of network hardware quirks or leveraging the local environment (sounds.)

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