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Discussions - Public / Re: Discuss State Of Smart Phone Photography
« on: April 18, 2018, 07:34:57 am »
Great subject for IT people because digital photography intersects computer science and tradtional optics sciences. Plus art.

I believe that smartphones *mostly* replace low end point and shoot cameras. The one factor to keep in mind is the size of the camera sensor. The larger the camera sensor, other things being equal (such as resolution), the less thermal noise introduced into images in low light conditions. Also, again because of better/less noise with larger sensors, they can be "driven" to extremely high ISO ratings and still perform decently.

Digital photography low-light noise looks like colored speckles, which aren't visible or present in normal sunlight or under flash.

Because of the tiny focal length dictated by the thickness of smartphone cases and bodies, their image sensors are commensurately really tiny. So their ISO range is usually pretty limited.

I have a Moto G5 (a 2017 model) phone. The imager is 12 megapixel (3000x4000 roughly.) It amazes me how nice the images are. It does fairly well in available light. But, no tripod socket.

I also own a Canon G16  prosumerish point and shoot  actual camera. I can set it to 12000 ISO. The images are very rough but they are somewhat usable.

At 1600 or 3200 ISO I can take really good nighttime sky exposures with this camera. I could not do that with the phone.

Lastly there is the shooting stance. The Canon "real" camera is easy to hold for steady, sharp images. Smart phones make you adopt goofy, less stable shooting stances. And you're always having to avoid touching the glass so you don't trigger software.

Nighttime July northern sky behind our house a couple of years ago... with the G16. Click to zoom/expand.

A digital SLR would have no visible grain and would be even sharper.  The dark blob at the lower right is not a dark matter nebula. :D It's a neighbor's tree.

The exposure was 15 seconds at 800 ISO.



Everything you say is true. Generally speaking the bigger the sensor the better the low light performance. That low light performance comes at the expense of weight in the case of a DSLR.

Years ago I had a Canon G7 which took great pictures in bright light but not so great in low light. Same a smart phones today. The G7 was the ancestor of your G16. The G7/G16 are very portable with the compact lens. Compared to a DSLR which would fire away.

I have a older Canon Rebel DSLR circa 2011. It still takes great pictures even though its dated. I also bought some Canon EOS M's which have the DSLR sensor in a small body. Though the sensor is big and they focus better than the point and shoots its still not a DSLR.

For years I have wanted a take anywhere camera that would not annoy me to carry. In the case of the DSLR with the lens its not always so much fun to carry. Sure the DSLR has power and flexibility but at the expense of bulk. Even though the smart phone does not do as well as a DSLR the portability and ability to share the pictures are far beyond what most cameras are capable of. 

I have an iPhone 7 and what blown me away is the quality of the pictures. Considering the tiny lens and sensor it does really well.

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Discussions - Public / Discuss State Of Smart Phone Photography
« on: April 17, 2018, 06:30:22 pm »
I have been an amateur photographer for many years. Had my DSLR, lenses as well as the point and shoot for when I didn't want to carry the DSLR. This I can say the ability of the smart phones has now reached a very impressive level. There is almost no point in buying a separate camera.

I only discovered this recently as I could not be bothered with the smartphones and felt that they were inferior to a real camera. That is still true to some degree today but nowhere near like it was. Take a look at these articles and look at the level of photography taken with a smart phone. Its not a DSLR but its pretty dam close. For most people this is way beyond what they will ever do.

Amazing pictures from a phone:

https://www.cnet.com/features/apple-iphone-8-plus-camera-perfect-photos-san-francisco/

http://www.nandakusumadi.com/blog/2017/12/3/iphone-x-camera-review-a-week-in-italy

https://www.flickr.com/groups/iphone_users/pool/

Basically the smart phone has decimated the point and shoot part of the camera industry. Sure there are some things a real camera does better but nowhere near like it used to be. The sensors and software on the phones is advancing so fast that with a smart phone you literally have a photo studio in your pocket.

https://mashable.com/2017/10/12/how-iphone-8-plus-replaced-my-real-camera/#ld1q2inJBmq9

Lets discuss this.

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Discussions - Public / Re: what a nice weekend
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:41:31 am »
Here in NJ on Saturday at 3:30 it was 85, by 7 pm it was 55, next morning it was 39.

Crazy weather.

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Here. Here's an antidote to Zuckerberg and normie oppression. Our supreme leader.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/p5cTjZvAoUE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/p5cTjZvAoUE</a>

Now thats funny.

Everyone should have a fake account on Slimebook! Post away.

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He is up against the big boys and its obvious he has the social skills of a rodent.  I like him trying to define hate speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbN4-QTXQZQ

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I am loving the expression on his face when they asked him about the censorship against conservatives including among other Catholics, Republicans, Baptists, etc.... Than when they asked him how they make money selling people's data I almost laughed myself to death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvc8t4MuStM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbBY1IsnRls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmxCrtNGNmY

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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« on: April 04, 2018, 09:19:00 am »

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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« on: April 04, 2018, 09:18:06 am »

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I bet this would really surprise millions of people who innocently believe the reviews on these sites are objective or fair.  Obviously they aren't, if the companies spike very many of them.

This is ultimately incredibly foolish of the e-commerce gateways to do so.

When I shop for something seriously, I look first at the MOST NEGATIVE reviews. Because, as a mature intelligent adult, I know that N-O-T-H-I-N-G is perfect. Nothing. I WANT TO KNOW THE FLAWS. Negative reviews calibrate me on what to expect in real life.

What's often left are fanboys and paid shill reviews. Which are instantly recognizable and which provide NO value. They are DRIVEL as far as I am concerned when I have $ in my hand ready to spend.

When an Amazon or a Yelp removes negative reviews they are saying "fuck you" to me as a consumer because they deprive me of reality based product comparison facts.

To me few or no negative reviews are a sign of tampering.

Also, Amazon et al make their money off of a collection of many products and vendors. They SHOULD be honest because they always have revenue from someone.

I do the EXACT same thing. I am not interested in the cheer leading and fanboys. Tell me whats wrong with it ;) .

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There have been other things on Amazon. I no longer leave reviews for anyone. I dont care and its a waste of time.

The open question being begged is, why create unpaid content that benefits very rich companies?

Some people love the attention and at a less pathological level it can feel empowering to make your voice heard. I know a guy, a former software consulting who is an absolute douchebag, who has some huge following on Yelp. Yelp has a created path for Yelpers to achieve fame as "food critics" through recognition at events.

When the site starts spiking your reviews it's really time to check out and stop helping the assholes.

I agree - why provide free content for their web site. What do I get in return? Especially for rich mega companies. This has been my view about Facebook for a long time - YOU are the content. Why should I BE YOUR PRODUCT. F*CK YOU.

Its just like self checkout in the store - I said this to the manager one day after I had a problem:

I am doing you a favor by self checking myself out should I get a discount because I am doing the work of the cashier. Since I am ringing myself up and bagging the item I should get 5% off the total price? What do you think?

The manager stood there dumb founded like a deer in the headlights.

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I have had reviews removed from Amazon, Ebay and Glassdoor.

Amazon about a year ago removed any books questioning the narrative of the Holocaust. I didnt post anything positive about the book I read. All I said was that the narrative they tell us does not make sense when faced with facts. Some things were obviously IMPOSSIBLE.

They also removed a review about the rationale for the Iraq war. Ie. Where are weapons of mass destruction? We destroyed a whole country for exactly what reason?

There have been other things on Amazon. I no longer leave reviews for anyone. I dont care and its a waste of time.

And, yes Glassdoor edits reviews of employers BECAUSE they receive $$ from them in the form of advertising and job ad placement. There is nothing impartial about them. I posted some negative reviews of some places I worked and everything I posted was true. They deleted my post and told me that I needed to take the high road with my experiences, "to more positive". I guess being abused and treated like shit is supposed to be ok in corporate America. You arent supposed to complain, suck it up snowflake.

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Discussions - Public / Re: Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« on: March 27, 2018, 03:15:53 am »

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