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Dennis Nedry

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What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« on: June 01, 2007, 04:46:24 am »
These are the guys guarding our borders?

Are you familiar with the case of the TB patient, who was ordered by the CDC not to return to the country?

Here is what happened when he flew to Montreal and then drove to the USA border:

"The inspector ran Speaker's passport through a computer, and a warning  including instructions to hold the traveler, don a protective mask in dealing with him, and telephone health authorities  popped up, officials said. About a minute later, Speaker was instead cleared to continue on his journey, according to officials familiar with the records.."

Full Story:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070..._infection

codger

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Re: What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 05:03:34 am »
The inspector should be fired immediately.

The TB carrier (Speaker) should be felony-charged/tried and then receive and serve the maximum sentence.

John Masterson

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Re: What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 06:04:25 am »
This fellow with the deadly TB who sociopathically flew anyway and exposed others so he could do what he wanted (travel),  is a personal-injury lawyer.

Coincidence?

I D Shukhov

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Re: What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2007, 07:19:08 am »
The other bizarre twist is that his future father-in-law is a TB researcher at the CDC.

He was on T.V. last night cautioning (I think) about drawing "Meet The Parents"  (Stiller, De Niro) conclusions.


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Re: What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2007, 05:38:21 pm »
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The TB carrier (Speaker) should be felony-charged/tried and then receive and serve the maximum sentence.


Charged with what? He was foolish. Even selfish. But he has not broken any law.

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But he said he was advised at the time by Fulton County, Ga., health authorities that he was not contagious or a danger to anyone.


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Officials told him they would prefer he didn't fly, but no one ordered him not to, he said. Speaker said his father, also a lawyer, taped that meeting.


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Speaker was in Europe when he learned tests showed he had not just TB, but an especially dangerous, extensively drug-resistant strain.

"He was told in no uncertain terms not to take a flight back," said Dr. Martin Cetron, director of the CDC's division of global migration and quarantine. But there were no legal orders preventing his travel, Cetron said.

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Re: What if the warning said he was a known terrorist?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2007, 07:07:40 pm »
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   Quote:The TB carrier (Speaker) should be felony-charged/tried and then receive and serve the maximum sentence.

Charged with what? He was foolish. Even selfish. But he has not broken any law.


Most states have laws covering actions that will probably result in death (manslaughter) or injury (assault) to others. If no one was hurt the appropriate charge would be "attempted manslaughter/assault"

In this case it is reasonable for the individual to believe he was contagious and chose to expose others anyway?  


pm4hire

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I am with Codger on this one
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 08:26:05 am »

PoslerRabbit

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Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2007, 09:48:50 am »
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In this case it is reasonable for the individual to believe he was contagious and chose to expose others anyway?


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But he said he was advised at the time by Fulton County, Ga., health authorities that he was not contagious or a danger to anyone.


How is it reasonable for him to assume otherwise? I do agree with you that he should not have taken a commercial flight back.

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 10:53:34 am »
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How is it reasonable for him to assume otherwise?


That's why we have juries.


David Cressey

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2007, 11:38:22 am »
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That's why we have juries.


In addition to juries, we also have due process.  

Bringing crminal charges against a person who has broken no law,  and against whom no credible case can be made,  is a waste of the court's time and resources, at the very least.  

In addition, it's a waste of limited prosecutorial resources.  Worse yet,  it exposes the defendant to a terrible hardship,  that of mounting a defense.  

Mr. Speaker, the lawyer, and his father-in-law,  have supposedly a tape recording of the CDC advising him, before he left,  and saying that he was not contagious.  Unless that tape doesn't say what Mr. Speaker says it does,  or unless prosecutors can mount a credible case from other sources,  it would seem that they ahve no basis to charge Mr. speaker with any crime.  


And that's probably what's going to happen.

codger

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 02:29:19 am »
I suspect that your attitude woud be different if he were to have been on a flight with one of your loved ones, or if a half dozen of his fellow passengers were tested positive.

He should have been detained and quarantined. The idiot who allowed him to board should be fired and possibly criminally charged.

David Cressey

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 03:55:13 am »
You're just ranting, codger.  

Speaker probably didn't break any laws.

The ticket agent who issued the boarding pass probably never got the TB flag on his passport.


codger

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 04:41:57 am »
You're mind is muddled, David.

The agent knew that Speak was not supposed to board. He had orders to put on a mask and detain him. At least that's what I heard on the news Saturday.

David Cressey

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Re: Attempted Assault/Manslaughter
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 09:22:54 pm »
You and I are operating off of a different set of facts.  That's not the same thing as asserting that either one of us has a muddled mind.

I haven't seen any news reports that state that airline boarding workers in Europe knew he was a passenger at risk.

On the contrary,  the few news reports I've seen say that,  by the time the CDC added him to the no-fly list,  he was already enroute to Montreal or on the ground there.  Have you seen a contrary report?