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Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« on: September 06, 2018, 09:18:11 am »
My sister shot in Boothbay Harbor, Maine with a sub $300 Samsung phone. Pretty amazing if you ask me.



Considering the small sensor and lens its very sharp.

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 09:35:13 am »
The equal of most high quality point and shoots.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 12:36:22 pm »
The technology is getting better and better. Its not a DSLR but for most its pretty good. I know I keep posting this stuff but the pictures these things are producing just blows me away. And it lives in your pocket.

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2018, 12:59:04 pm »
The main and only significant issue I've had with phone cameras is their lack of manual control which is a problem mainly during extreme lighting or motion conditions. For instance, when taking videos, the auto focus tracks the wrong things when used in low light (such as taking pictures of Christmas light displays at night.) I have one video that has superb sound but the focus jumps around as different parts of the light display switch on and off with the music. I know I probably had some "infinity lock" setting at my disposal I should have learned about.

Otherwise considering the tiny "cavity" used within the camera for the focal plane of the lens, and the teensy moving parts, these cell phones are truly a modern marvel.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2018, 03:15:24 pm »
That's an incredible picture.  I can't believe how far phone cameras have come. 

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 04:30:39 am »
Lg v20 has manual controls. My next phone.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 07:36:13 am »
Lg v20 has manual controls. My next phone.

As does the iPhone:

https://camera.plus/

https://halide.cam/

I have both of these apps and they have full manual controls.

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2018, 03:32:57 pm »
LG v20 has one huge advantage, it has a removable battery.  I get these ZeroLemon 10,000 mAh cells, they last for almost 2 days.


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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2018, 06:57:49 pm »
I think it's amazing as well, especially when you consider what early digital cameras looked like and the quality you got. Still have one of those bricks laying around here. I wonder if it still works?

I have two pet peeves about phone cameras that makes me want to carry a "real" camera if I'm intentionally going out to shoot photos. First most phone cameras are wide angle and don't zoom in much. Second I like pressing a real button that I know when I pressed it, it took the shot. I've had problems pressing that virtual button repeatedly trying to get the shot. Sometimes you're "in the moment" taking pictures only to later realize half of them are missing. Now maybe that's just my dry cracked fingers but that's annoying.

As for the technology, it's amazing. Full manual control would be nice but I keep telling myself, it's a phone, not a camera. Though with that said, what constitutes a camera today? As a point and shoot, it's pretty darn good.

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 07:08:06 pm »
I think it's amazing as well, especially when you consider what early digital cameras looked like and the quality you got. Still have one of those bricks laying around here. I wonder if it still works?

Digital cameras became sort-of affordable for amateurs in the late 90s. But (I think) the microelectronics necessary - high speed compact CPUs, image CCDs, and memory - were still almost as expensive as during the bad old pre-Windows 95 days. You could buy a digicam then if you insisted but it would suck.So a camera that by today's standards was ridiculously underspec'd back then was extremely expensive. 480 x 640, or 1 megapixel, an HP Photosmart camera I had without live previewing was $300 or so.

It was the edge of the knee of the curve of price: performance in the late 90s. Then wait a few years...

Sic: In 1998 I had 4 GB of disk  and 256MB ram on a development PC and I thought I was hot shit. DIsk and memory specs exploded in the next 10 years which was when prices of components got really cheap, and by 2005 a digital camera was usable for almost everything except commercial work.

I have two pet peeves about phone cameras that makes me want to carry a "real" camera if I'm intentionally going out to shoot photos. First most phone cameras are wide angle and don't zoom in much. Second I like pressing a real button that I know when I pressed it, it took the shot.

Do any camera phones have ANY optical zoom, which is what you're talking about? Optical zoom lenses are a quantum more complicated than fixed focus lenses. They also demand a lot of physical space for focusing and zooming. And phones are very thin.

Tactile feedback or clicky buttons are another matter. Manufacturers don't want to put moving buttons on anything because they increase manufacturing costs and are failure prone.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2018, 07:12:56 pm »
Interestingly there is an camera with optical zoom attachment (a "mod") for Moto Z phones.

By Hasselblad.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hasselblad-true-zoom-camera-for-motorola-moto-z/5444124.p?skuId=5444124&cmp=RMX&extStoreId=274&ref=212&loc=1&ds_rl=1255843&gclid=CjwKCAjwio3dBRAqEiwAHWsNVR9Um-Ugxhjqavy8E9yif4UF4-K_rl77St-UxUhOY6aKp0BR1P5jPxoCenMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Hasselblad's cameras normally cost as much as a nice car. This thing is priced like a lens cap for their medium format SLRs.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2018, 07:23:11 pm »
First, interesting attachment. I've also seen some "fixed lens zoom" lenses as well, but you get what you paid for.

Totally agree with pricing and quality. Just like computers, once everything fell in place, prices dropped and performance excelled.

And yes, I'm gripping about optical zoom but again, if you really want that, then go buy a "real" camera. Same with real buttons.

In short, I wish I had one of today's ulta-thin phones with a camera when my kids were growing up. The things you can do are amazing.


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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2018, 07:27:00 pm »
Supposedly (I saw this in a photo site comments section) the iPhone X has dual  lenses. One is normal/wide angle and the other is telephoto. So that's how the problem of phone camera focal length is solved today.


Dual lens phone cameras are becoming very common in the middle and upper end of the market. I see some phones with this for < $200.


That's the only practical optical telephoto option that is available in a phone. Phones are just too thin to cram in a decent zoom lens.
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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2018, 07:50:36 pm »
Huh, that's an interesting compromise.

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Re: Amazing Maine Picture Shot With Cheap Samsung Phone
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2018, 10:08:00 am »
Here is an article explaining how the dual lenses on smart phones work:

https://www.androidauthority.com/dual-camera-optical-zoom-technology-explained-781993/

I thought it was pretty interesting. Its not a traditional zoom lens by any means but for something that rides in your pocket, not so bad.

This year Huawei came out with the P20 Pro which has 3 lenses on the back:

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https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/news/huawei/143983-huawei-p20-pro-triple-camera-good-review-details-explored

"Huawei P20 Pro camera specs
40MP RGB 1/1.7in type sensor, f/1.8 aperture
20MP monochrome, f/1.6 aperture
8MP 3x zoom, f/2.4 aperture
Optical Image Stabilisation (OIS) for all
24MP front camera, f/2.0 aperture
Laser autofocus and colour temperature sensor

There are three cameras on the rear of the Huawei P20 Pro: two are combined into a raised unit, comprising 40-megapixel colour and 20-megapixel monochrome cameras. These operate in much the same way as previous dual camera Huawei systems, as developed with Leica collaboration.

That means depth measurement for software-derived blurred background (including a professional style aperture adjustment from f/0.95-f/16), alongside expanded dynamic range from the black-and-white senor with colour mapping from the RGB sensor. The key difference in the P20 Pro is there's much more resolution than in any P-series prior and, but of course, that third telephoto lens.

Furthermore, the P20 Pro uses a larger scale sensor than many of its competitors (and its own predecessors). Its 1/1.7in size means the pixels are larger, which gives them greater light-gathering properties for the potential of cleaner, better images as a result."